Card Sizes

Tue 2012/04/17 11:33 JST
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Card Sizes

Having played Weib Schwarz and buying Sleeves for other games, I was very surprised to find Vanguard had the smaller card size. I was slightly disappointed in not having the correct sleeve sizes for the game as its been forever since I needed the smaller sleeves. but then released I could not buy CFV sleeves for the other games. Its obviously too late to change anything, but it leaves me with two questions.

Do Victory Spark and Chaos use a standard card size, or do they use the smaller card size (or a mix). [Given that Ro-kyu-bu sleeves are standard size and ro-kyu-bu is in Victory spark I'm assuming VS is standard size].

If Vanguard is the only one with non-standard size, was it just to make it stick out compared to the other 3 games?

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    Bushiroad (Registered on 2008/11/29)

    In Japan, there have always been 2 types of sizes:

    1) the larger size(92*67) - for most card games e.g. WS, VS, Chaos, MonColle, MTG, WoW, PM, Lycee, etc. Mostly moe related card games or card games for the older players.

    2) the smaller size(89*62) - for most children's card games e.g. VG, YGO, etc. The best idea for any product out there is that it should be compatible with some of the stuff which the player already has. Therefore, the VG cards took on the size where past supply products from another card game could be used and the players do not have to spend so much on all new ones all over again... XD

    However, there are some players who will use the larger sleeves for Vanguard.
    All you have to do is place the VG cards in one more layer before placing them in the larger(I assume this is the regular size mentioned earlier) sleeves.
    But do remember that there is a 2 layer maximum for official Vanguard tournaments! Xp
    (Side note: we have met players who use the big sleeves for VG as is. Not really an issue for them either... too bad that does not work in reverse.)

    Tue 2012/04/17 14:24:40 JST (ID #8023)  Report
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      Antman in United States-MA (Registered on 2012/01/05)
      WS player

      well you learn something new everyday, never realized the smaller cards were for children's card games.

      I know you can put smaller cards in larger sleeves, I just don't enjoy doing it as sometimes they slide around inside, though double sleeving may solve that issue.

      Do find it interesting that there is a layer max to even begin with though.

      Tue 2012/04/17 14:40:47 JST (ID #8027)  Report
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        Bushiroad (Registered on 2008/11/29)

        Just an odd trend that seems to have fixed itself over 10 years ago...
        YGO started was about that size and every manufacturer after that just followed suit.
        Save the kids a lot of money on sleeves when they can buy more cards alternatively. Xp

        Tue 2012/04/17 15:58:41 JST (ID #8029)  Report
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      ThunderBreak in The World With Two Moons (Registered on 2012/01/20)
      Familiar

      That mentions, I wonder why it's limited to 2 sleeve?
      I can't see any real problem except the excess thickness that will only trouble the player him/herself lol
      Some mentions marking possibilities, but well I'm not really familiar about that...

      Tue 2012/04/17 15:04:14 JST (ID #8028)  Report
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        Bushiroad (Registered on 2008/11/29)

        One problem is the marking...
        but seriously, have you seen 5 layered sleeve decks?
        - the thickness makes it pretty irritating to shuffle or cut your opponent's deck. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
        - heck, the owner himself will probably take ages just to shuffle it properly himself/ herself, causing certain delays(intentional or unintentional)...
        (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
        - the deck will become ridiculously high and unstable, a single bump to the playing table could knock the deck right over. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
        - this issue might not be present in some communities, but some players have this habit of moving cards in their hand from front to back and vice versa so that the opponent can't tell which card is which in hand. Some players also have a habit of passing the edges of cards against each other. These little habits, intentional or otherwise, cause this particular 'pachi, pachi' sound, which might irritate the other players. Thicker layered sleeves create the most noise... sometimes at a point where the other players wish they could literally flip the tables: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

        Just some factors which led to the restriction in Vanguard.

        Tue 2012/04/17 16:11:46 JST (ID #8030)  Report
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          ThunderBreak in The World With Two Moons (Registered on 2012/01/20)
          Familiar

          5 layers... now that's awesome O.O
          I mean, just how could you shuffle something like that DX

          Well, I also have that habit... Since I only used two layers, I can't really notice the sound xp
          I'm using an English deck too, and two layers is just the right thickness for me too shuffle lol
          But uh, Japanese cards with 5 layers... I can only *salute

          LOL, and many thanks for responding to my curiousness!

          Tue 2012/04/17 16:42:55 JST (ID #8031)  Report
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            Bushiroad (Registered on 2008/11/29)

            That's the whole problem... the owners themselves can't really shuffle properly themselves either... XD

            Well, we would like to give the players benefit of the doubt,
            and believe that creating the sound is unintentional...
            but it sure irritates the players all around.

            Please do not salute or encourage them.
            It's a facepalm, table-flipping festival when you have players with that many layers at a tournament... XD

            Therefore, the said restriction is born!! -_-/

            Tue 2012/04/17 17:16:07 JST (ID #8032)  Report
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              Xak in Singapore (Registered on 2011/02/17)
              WS, VS, Chaos TCG, Vanguard player http://chaos.nk-ds.org

              One of my players (and friend) put all the cards in his WS deck in top loader cases once. It was kind of fun (in a masochistic way) to try shuffling it.

              Then I told him if he can't shuffle all the cards comfortably at once, he wouldn't be playing in the tournament.

              At least if anybody actually flipped the table, the cards would be safe...

              Tue 2012/04/17 17:23:52 JST (ID #8033)  Report
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                Calvin in Love Box in Canada (Registered on 2011/02/17)
                Bushiroad Student

                There is a format called EDH/Commander in MTG and the deck requires 99 cards in a deck. He puts top loaders on because half the deck is well worth over $800 or so. But man that thing is huge compared to my skinny-ass deck.

                Wed 2012/04/18 07:53:39 JST (ID #8053)  Report
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              ThunderBreak in The World With Two Moons (Registered on 2012/01/20)
              Familiar

              LOL, facepalm it is then!
              Hahahah XD

              Tue 2012/04/17 18:00:09 JST (ID #8035)  Report
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      Antman in United States-MA (Registered on 2012/01/05)
      WS player

      Does Weib Schwartz (and I suppose your other card games) have the same 2 layer limits in official tournaments as well? Not that I would sleeve if it was legal, but rule knowledge is something I like to know

      Wed 2012/04/18 05:29:26 JST (ID #8048)  Report
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        Antman in United States-MA (Registered on 2012/01/05)
        WS player

        *Schwarz

        sometimes I loathe the lack of an edit button, but I understand why one does not exist

        Wed 2012/04/18 05:30:45 JST (ID #8049)  Report
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          Bushiroad (Registered on 2008/11/29)

          *have this sudden urge to watch the movie: Space Balls again...

          Anyway, yes, with the recent events involving a certain user,
          I'm sure most would understand the lack of an edit function...
          Would be chaos with that, wouldn't it?

          No, technically it is not stated in the rules specifically for the other games.
          As Vanguard involves kids most of the time, it would be simpler to standardize the rules for everyone.
          It is mentioned in the rules for the other games in this form:
          Use of sleeves is not restricted, but the players have to keep it within a sensible level.
          Unfortunately, some players seem to think that top loaders or 5 layers are in the sensible regions... XD

          (Posted a while back, but there were interviews with some players who use multiple sleeves.
          They claim that the first clear layer protects the cards, 2nd layer are the character/moe sleeves, 3rd layer protects the 2nd against wear, 4th prevents dirt/dust from getting in, and a last 5th layer for good measure... Xp)

          Wed 2012/04/18 11:10:50 JST (ID #8059)  Report
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            GenshikenServo in Epcot (Registered on 2012/03/28)
            Full time Otaku

            May the Schwarz be with you!

            Wed 2012/04/18 15:08:54 JST (ID #8067)  Report
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              Bushiroad (Registered on 2008/11/29)

              Pretty sure Yogurt pronounced it like with a 't', that's why it reminded me of that great movie... XD
              Man, I miss Mel Brook's parodies...

              Wed 2012/04/18 15:45:49 JST (ID #8068)  Report
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    RateValkyria in Bogota, Colombia (Registered on 2012/02/06)
    Card Game Judge http://wsvgcolombia.wordpress.com/

    I will use only a single layer of sleeves, since I'll be using card sleeve inserts (the ones HotC provided). Having double-sleeve the card and the inserts, can be slowdown the deck building process a lot.
    xD

    Tue 2012/04/17 23:38:18 JST (ID #8041)  Report
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    hack117 in fresno CA (Registered on 2011/05/04)
    psyco

    so can you guys make sleeves 89-62 with anime on them? i mean i like your sleeves but i play vangaurd/yugioh so if i want to use your sleeves i have to use 3 layers...it sucks to have to pay so much for sleeves T_T

    Thu 2012/04/19 00:44:50 JST (ID #8081)  Report
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      Bushiroad (Registered on 2008/11/29)

      Yes, we did produce that 89*62 sleeves for other series besides Vanguard...
      Unfortunately, as that series(Rewrite) is not a Bushiroad owned series,
      sales outside Japan is strictly prohibited through official distributors,
      just like the majority of the anime sleeves we have produced.

      (*Note: at this time, sleeves available through official distributors outside Japan are limited to - Milky Holmes, D.C. Vanguard, Shiyoko due to license issues.)

      Thu 2012/04/19 10:00:50 JST (ID #8098)  Report
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    kain in Inazuma, japan (Registered on 2012/07/12)
    defender

    I use slightly bigger sleeves for some of my decks and its fine, in fact I hardly notice it unles I am taking cards out or putting cards in, my only problem is some sleeves don't fully cover the back of the card and it is distorted but visible :/

    Wed 2013/05/22 13:26:49 JST (ID #15442)  Report
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